Re: usrbdx + flair

From: Mr. Bhushankumar Jagnnath Patil. (bjp@physics.unipune.ernet.in)
Date: Sat Jan 12 2008 - 12:57:44 CET

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    Respected sir,
           I am very thankful to you.
    Just check this what i understand from your help.
    When i am scoring in linear binning in energy and for only one bin solid
    angle (one way), to get fluence (part/cm-2/pri) i will do

    flux (pat/Gev/cm-2/pr) X (Max. energy of the bin - Min. energy of the bin)
    X 2pi.
    i.e form *_tab.lis file
    IIIrd column X (IInd column - Ist column) X 2pi

    for total fluence addition of the above quantity for all the bins.

    is it correct?

    and what if i am scoring energy in log binning, in case of neutron i am
    using log binning.
    the same eq i have to use ?

    Also I want to know why to multiply by 2 pi, as i am using only single
    binning of angular distribution.

    I will be very thankful to you.

    Thanking you.
    Patil Bhushan J.

    > Dear Bhushan
    > in Flair, the option you want is Y x DX. But be careful: this will give
    you the INTEGRATED fluence in each interval: in general, this
    > representatio=
    > n
    > is not good for plotting, unless each interval has the same width (i.e.,
    can be used for linear binning but is meaningless for logarithmic
    binning).
    >
    > I would suggest that you try the utility program usxsuw (you find it in
    $FLUPRO/flutil). It gives you:
    > 1) the total fluence, integrated over energy and solid angle
    > 2) the fluence differential in energy, but integrated over solid angle
    > (from what I understand you are not interested in this)
    > 3) the fluence CUMULATIVE in energy and integrated over solid angle.
    > This is exactly what you are looking for: if you take the difference
    between any two energies you get the total integrated fluence
    between
    > t=
    > hose
    > two energies. If the two energies are the the limits of a single
    bin,
    > you get the fluence in that bin.=20
    > Only, remember that usxsuw works only with binary output files.
    >
    > Finally, you can obtain what you want by a simple multiplication:
    multiply
    > each bin by 2 pi (or 4 pi, depending if you have a 1-way or 2-way
    scoring)
    > and by the difference of energy limits of the bin. The latter is a
    constant=
    > ,
    > since you are doing a linear scoring. This constant is equal to
    > (Max. energy requested - Min. energy)/number of bins.
    >
    > Alberto
    >
    >
    > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Mr. Bhushankumar Jagnnath Patil. wrote:
    >
    >> Respected sir
    >> Thank you for your kind help. The information is very useful for
    >> me.
    >> I want to ask one more question that which option of flair i will use
    to calculate the y axis result in (cm-2 per incident particle) unit.
    Just i want to remove the per GeV and per Sr terms or how i will do it
    manually.
    >> waiting for your reply
    >> Thanking you in advance.
    >>> Dear Bhushan,
    >>> From the manual:
    >>> "Note: The results of a USRBDX boundary crossing estimator are
    >>> always given as DOUBLE DIFFERENTIAL distributions of
    fluence (or current) in energy and solid angle, in units of
    cm-2 GeV-1 sr-1 per incident primary, EVEN WHEN ONLY 1
    INTERVAL (BIN) HAS BEEN REQUESTED, which is often the case
    for angular distributions."
    >>> The output of the USRBDX card is fluence. Now if you do what you are
    asking "multiply by the difference of the Ist and IInd column" what
    you
    >>> will get is a histogram of weighted counts for every energy bin. For
    flair please look in the last fluka courses the flair-2.pdf file. You
    have several options depending on what you will like to plot, both on
    the X-axis and the Y-axis.
    >>> Variables: "Low" xl =3D Ist column, "High" xh =3D IInd column, Y =3D II=
    > Ird
    >>> column
    >>> X-axis
    >>> 1. GeoMean: sqrt(xl*xh) <Xgeo>
    >>> The geometrical mean of the two values. Useful if you want to plot
    >>> point in the geometrical center of each bin. To be used only if you make
    >>> a logX plot. Be careful this is only for plotting it doesn't care what
    you have scored in fluka linear or log in energy.
    >>> 2. Mean (xl+xh)/2 <X>
    >>> Normal mean. To be used for linear plots
    >>> 3. Low (xl)
    >>> Low value of the bin. To be used when plotting like a histogram
    the
    >>> data, together with the "steps" style
    >>> 4. High (xh)
    >>> High value of the bin. Same as 3 but for "histeps"
    >>> Y-axis
    >>> There you have several choices on the way you want to represent your dat=
    > a
    >>> i) Y
    >>> The value of the IIIrd column as given by fluka
    >>> ii) Y x <X>
    >>> The value multiplied by the mean of the first two columns. To plot in
    isolethargic way with linear x-axis
    >>> iii) Y x <Xgeo>
    >>> Multiplied by the geometric mean. Isolethargic way with log x-axis iv)
    Y x Xl
    >>> ...
    >>> v) Y x Xh
    >>> ...
    >>> vi) Y x DX
    >>> Number of "counts" per bin.
    >>> Examples:
    >>> * To plot normal fluence like a histogram (log or linear) you have to
    choose
    >>> X: Low [xl]
    >>> Y: Y
    >>> With: steps
    >>> * To plot normal fluence with error bars (linear)
    >>> X: Mean (xl+xh)/2
    >>> Y: Y
    >>> With: errorbars
    >>> * To plot normal fluence with error bars (log)
    >>> X: GeoMean sqrt(xl*xh)
    >>> Y: Y
    >>> With: errorbars
    >>> * To plot isolethargic fluence as histogram (log)
    >>> X: Low [xl]
    >>> Y: X*<Ygeo>
    >>> With: steps
    >>> ...
    >>> Regards
    >>> Vasilis
    >>> B H U S H A N wrote:
    >>>> Dear fluka users and experts,
    >>>> USRBDX 101.0 7.0 -31.0 20.0 3.0
    >>>> 10.5768PhFluenUD
    >>>> USRBDX 0.006 0.00 100.0 &
    >>>> This is my usrbdx card for the detection of photon fluence. I want to
    calculate fluence of photon passing through the region 20 to 3. how
    can
    >>>> i
    >>>> get it?
    >>>> I was doing fluence calulation by this way
    >>>> IIIrd column in *_tab.lis (i.e photon/cm^2/GeV/primary
    particle)
    >>>> multiply this by the differece of Ist and IInd column of the same
    row.
    >>>> Is this right? if not please reply me the correct way. does
    >>>> the
    >>>> same way is useful for neutron fluence calculation?
    >>>> Also I have installed flair, in flair for plotting USR-1D and in
    >>>> detector information of this there are 6 different option for Y axix
    selection. like
    >>>> i) Y
    >>>> ii) Y x <X>
    >>>> iii) Y x <Xgeo>
    >>>> iv) Y x Xl
    >>>> v) Y x Xh
    >>>> vi) Y x DX
    >>>> I want to know that which one is correct for fluence calculation(i
    was
    >>>> using last one) and where other option will be useful. what are its
    meaning.
    >>>> THank you very much.
    >>>> Bhushan
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    Mr. Bhushankumar Jagnnath Patil.
    Microtron Accelerator Lab.
    Department of Physics,
    University of Pune,
    Ganeshkhind, Pune 411007
    Ph. No. Off. 020-25692678 Ext. 421
    Mob. 9823968377
    Webpage http://physics.unipune.ernet.in/~bjp
    Alternate e-mail amolbhushan@gmail.com

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