[fluka-discuss]: Re: Conversion factor to get dose from USRBIN output

From: Roman Savinov <rsavinov_at_calpoly.edu>
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 22:05:11 +0000

Hi Vasilis,


and how do I get the number of incoming particles flux? Do I need a separate scoring card or this value can be found in the output file?


thanks,

Roman


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From: Vasilis Vlachoudis <Vasilis.Vlachoudis_at_cern.ch>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 1:17 AM
To: Roman Savinov; fluka-discuss_at_fluka.org
Subject: RE: Conversion factor to get dose from USRBIN output

Hi Roman,

In this case you have to multiply (not divide) by the number of incoming particles flux times the surface
of your emission sphere

Cheers
Vasilis

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From: owner-fluka-discuss_at_mi.infn.it [owner-fluka-discuss_at_mi.infn.it] on behalf of Roman Savinov [rsavinov_at_calpoly.edu]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 02:05
To: fluka-discuss_at_fluka.org
Subject: [fluka-discuss]: Re: Conversion factor to get dose from USRBIN output


dear Vasilis,


I am a bit confused about USRBDX. I am not using this card for dose scoring.

The value that I use with units of particles/cm2/pr is "Flux" found under "Output During Transport" in the output file:

*** NASA - O'Neill (Pinsky) flux ***
  *** Samp. transition energy: 0.00100000005
  *** Samp. spectral index: 0.
  *** Real spectral index: 2.75
  *** Minimum energy: 0.00100000005 GeV ***
  *** Maximum energy: 10000. GeV ***
  *** Spnorm: 0.522643089 nuc/sr/cm^2/s
  *** Fluxst: 4.67721367 ions/cm^2/s
  *** for no shadowing ***
  *** <Z_ion>: 1.15238881 ***
  *** Emission radius: 50. cm ***

  *** Flux: 0.000127323961 Part/pr/cmq ***

  *** Geomagnetic latitude : 0. (deg) ***
  *** Scoring range +/-: 90. (deg) ***
  *** Geomagnetic longitude: 0. (deg) ***
  *** Scoring range +/-: 180. (deg) ***
  *** Sampling latitude +/-: 90. -90. (deg) ***
  *** Sampling longit. +/-: 180. -180. (deg) ***
  *** P: R_Earth=R_Stormer : 59.6580887 (GV) ***
  *** Vertical rigidity : 0. (GV) ***

so when you say forget about USRBDX information and multiply Gy/g by flux I am confused ...
thank you,

Roman



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From: Vasilis Vlachoudis <Vasilis.Vlachoudis_at_cern.ch>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:29 AM
To: Roman Savinov; fluka-discuss_at_fluka.org
Subject: RE: Conversion factor to get dose from USRBIN output

Hi Roman,

the result is not correct because the units are correct :)

Please give a look on the scoring lecture from our last course:
https://indico.cern.ch/event/442634/contribution/12/attachments/1184625/1716758/07_Scoring_2015.pdf

The output of FLUKA is normalized per primary particle (since you are also asking NO-NORM) in your GCR-SPE card.
So you have a USRBIN giving Gy/pr and a USRBDX giving the particles/cm2/pr
Dividing these two quantities just cancels the primary beam information as you correctly say you get rid of it.
However then it gives a quantity of Dose vs fluence, which tells nothing about your incoming spectrum!

Forget the information from the USRBDX and simply take the dose Gy/pr and multiply with with the
incoming flux of particles then you will get Gy per the total number of particles of your event.

Cheers
Vasilis

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From: owner-fluka-discuss_at_mi.infn.it [owner-fluka-discuss_at_mi.infn.it] on behalf of Roman Savinov [rsavinov_at_calpoly.edu]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 07:00
To: fluka-discuss_at_fluka.org
Subject: [fluka-discuss]: Conversion factor to get dose from USRBIN output


dear Fluka experts,


I am scoring dose with USRBIN. It has output of GeV/g/pr.

Multiplying this by 1.062e-7 gives Gy/pr (manual-USRBIN-note 5).

Now, to get rid of the primary, I divide by the flux (found in the output file) to get (Gy)*(cm^2)

Dividing by the area of the detector should give me Gy but the numbers Im getting is in the order of 10^-13 which is obviously too small given the GCR source and the target (in space) is a cylinder of water 30 cm long shielded by 3.7 cm of Aluminum.

What do I do wrong?


thank you,


Roman






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