Re: [fluka-discuss]: Scoring alphas in FLUKA using USRBIN

From: Francesco Cerutti <Francesco.Cerutti_at_cern.ch>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 20:22:19 +0200

Well, 4 micron change definitely the picture, since alphas above 1 MeV can
make it.

At the NIST link, you have just to select the material, click on Submit,
and you will get a table giving stopping power and range (you care about
the latter) as a function of the alpha kinetic energy. Units are for mass
length, so you need to rescale them by the material density

Best wishes

Francesco

**************************************************
Francesco Cerutti
CERN-EN/STI
CH-1211 Geneva 23
Switzerland
tel. ++41 22 7678962
fax ++41 22 7668854

On Tue, 6 Sep 2016, Srinidhi Bheesette wrote:

> Hi Francesco,
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> After reading some papers I found out that the thickness of the
> metallization layer is 4 microns. 
>
> Inline images 1
> I hope this thickness is enough for the alphas to penetrate through the
> Aluminium metallization layer and reach the Silicon layer.
>
> Also I can figure out how to evaluate stopping power on the link you sent
> me. Please help. Thanks in advance.
>
> [f18dQhb0S7ks8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9gXrN7sKj6v4f9HlVRYvr-7fJZTzN3LqZ7CQFLCHW2rmRCv
> 1k1H6H0?si=4558345310568448&pi=4742b69d-2ceb-47ec-e936-8e9eb633db44]
>
> Cheers,
> Shri
>
> (Srinidhi Bheesette)
>
> On 5 September 2016 at 13:07, Francesco Cerutti <Francesco.Cerutti_at_cern.ch>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Shri
>
> with 20 micron Al, likely you will not see anything again, since
> 5 MeV
> alphas can just make it (only if travelling in the good
> direction) and
> your alphas are indeed less energetic.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Francesco
>
> **************************************************
> Francesco Cerutti
> CERN-EN/STI
> CH-1211 Geneva 23
> Switzerland
> tel. ++41 22 7678962
> fax  ++41 22 7668854
>
> On Mon, 5 Sep 2016, Srinidhi Bheesette wrote:
>
> > Hi Francesco, 
> >
> > I am sorry, yes, I mean now I can score on the conversion
> layer. 
> >
> > Thanks for the link, its really useful. 
> > Just for a test I ran a job by assigning vacuum to the
> metalization layer and I observed
> > that I am able to score on the silicon sensor as well. I will
> now try to assign it
> > Aluminum again, reduce the thickness to 20 microns and run
> again.
> >
> > Thanks very much for your help. :) 
> >
> >
> >
> >[f18dQhb0S7ks8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9gXrN7sKj6v4f9HlVRYvr-7fJZTzN3LqZ7CQFLCHW2rmRCv
> 1k1H6H0?si=4
> > 558345310568448&pi=aaa52f34-4cc8-45d7-d851-b4047fa205b2]
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Shri
> >
> > (Srinidhi Bheesette)
> >
> > On 4 September 2016 at 21:59, Francesco Cerutti
> <Francesco.Cerutti_at_cern.ch> wrote:
> >
> >       Dear Shri,
> >
> >       I'd guess from the context of your message that you
> actually meant "I am
> >       NOW [rather than NOT] able to score alphas(4-He) on the
> conversion layer"
> >       and I'd be happy for that.
> >       About the fact that the generated alphas do not make the
> silicon detector,
> >       it looks indeed logical due to metalization: a 5 MeV
> alpha - more
> >       energetic than what you get out of thermal neutron
> capture on 6Li - has a
> >       range of 20 micron in aluminum, as you can see on NIST
> >     
>  (http://physics.nist.gov/PhysRefData/Star/Text/ASTAR.html).
> >
> >       Cheers
> >
> >       Francesco
> >
> >       **************************************************
> >       Francesco Cerutti
> >       CERN-EN/STI
> >       CH-1211 Geneva 23
> >       Switzerland
> >       tel. ++41 22 7678962
> >       fax  ++41 22 7668854
> >
> >       On Sun, 4 Sep 2016, Srinidhi Bheesette wrote:
> >
> >       > Hi Francesco,
> >       > Thank you very much for you reply.
> >       > I have made the necessary changes and I am not able to
> score alphas(4-He)
> >       on
> >       > the conversion layer. But I still don't get any hits
> on the Silicon
> >       detector
> >       > layer which is separated from the conversion layer
> (Lithium) by a 40
> >       microns
> >       > metalization layer made of Aluminium (sorry I did not
> mention this in my
> >       > previous mail).
> >       >
> >       > Is the metalization a problem or do I need to make
> more changes so that it
> >       I
> >       > can score on Silicon too?
> >       >
> >       > Thanks in advance.
> >       >
> >      [f18dQhb0S7ks8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9gXrN7sKj6v4f9HlVRYvr-7fJZTzN3LqZ7CQFLCHW2rmRC
> v
> >       >
> 1k1H6H0?si=4558345310568448&pi=d2713f3f-ab03-475e-a465-69e4fbc8836d]
> >       >
> >       > Cheers,
> >       > Shri
> >       >
> >       > (Srinidhi Bheesette)
> >       >
> >       > On 3 September 2016 at 13:12, Francesco Cerutti
> >       <Francesco.Cerutti_at_cern.ch>
> >       > wrote:
> >       >
> >       >       Hi Shri,
> >       >
> >       >       please read the manual, LOW-NEUT card, Note 5.
> >       >
> >       >       In particular, you need to have pointwise
> treatment activated
> >       >       (which is
> >       >       already the case for PRECISIO defaults) as well
> as a LiF
> >       >       compound
> >       >       definition containing explicitly the LITHIU-6
> material as
> >       >       elemental
> >       >       component. The latter has to be in turn defined
> by a MATERIAL
> >       >       card
> >       >       specifying monoisotopic composition (see again
> the manual and
> >       >       avoid the
> >       >       usual mistake mixing up the mass number in
> WHAT(6) - which is
> >       >       what you
> >       >       have to fill, with the number 6.0 - and the
> atomic weight in
> >       >       WHAT(2) - not
> >       >       to be filled at all -).
> >       >
> >       >       Note in addition that your PART-THR card makes
> no sense, since
> >       >       1eV is
> >       >       patently not an option as transport threshold,
> being 1keV the
> >       >       hard cutoff
> >       >       for everything but neutrons and photons.
> >       >       And, as a general rule, do not limit the full
> transport to
> >       >       4-HELIUM only,
> >       >       as you did with IONTRANS, rather let it be
> applicable to all
> >       >       heavy
> >       >       and light ions (put HEAVYION, i.e. particle code
> -2, as
> >       >       explained in the
> >       >       manual).
> >       >
> >       >       Best
> >       >
> >       >       Francesco
> >       >
> >       >     
>  **************************************************
> >       >       Francesco Cerutti
> >       >       CERN-EN/STI
> >       >       CH-1211 Geneva 23
> >       >       Switzerland
> >       >       tel. ++41 22 7678962
> >       >       fax  ++41 22 7668854
> >       >
> >       >       On Sat, 3 Sep 2016, Srinidhi Bheesette wrote:
> >       >
> >       >       > Hi all,
> >       >       > I wish to score alphas produced by the
> reaction of thermal
> >       >       neutron( 0.025eV)
> >       >       > with Lithium Fluoride moderator.
> >       >       >
> >       >       > I am using a 0.025eV neutron point source for
> my simulations
> >       >       and scoring the
> >       >       > a silicon detector which is bonded to the
> moderator. 
> >       >       > I have enabled the transport using the
> following card
> >       >       >
> >       >       > IONTRANS    4-HELIUM
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       > and also changed the threshold to 1eV for
> alphas using the
> >       >       following card: 
> >       >       >
> >       >       > PART-THR      -1.E-9  4-HELIUM                
>           0.0
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       > Finally I score the flux on the moderator
> using the following
> >       >       card:
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       > USRBIN           10.  4-HELIUM       22. 
> 0.700067  0.880124  
> >       >        
> >       >       > -0.10convalp
> >       >       >
> >       >       > USRBIN     -0.702433   -0.5261     -0.11     
> 256. 256.     
> >       >         
> >       >       >
> >       >       > 1. &
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       > and on the silicon detector using the
> following card:
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       > USRBIN           10.  4-HELIUM       29. 
> 0.700067  0.880124  
> >       >       0.10sialph
> >       >       >
> >       >       > USRBIN     -0.702433   -0.5261    -0.096     
> 256. 256.       
> >       >       1. &
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >       > But in vain, as I do not see any alpha
> particles scored. The
> >       >       fort files are
> >       >       > filled all with zeros.
> >       >       >
> >       >       > Please let me know where I am going wrong.
> Help would be
> >       >       greatly
> >       >       > appreciated.
> >       >       >
> >       >       > Thanks in advance. 
> >       >       >
> >       >       > Cheers,
> >       >       > Shri
> >       >       >
> >       >       > (Srinidhi Bheesette)
> >       >       >
> >       >       >
> >       >
> >       >
> >       >
> >       >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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