# Re: RE: Plotting USRBDX with one angular bin

From: Alberto Fasso' (fasso@SLAC.Stanford.EDU)
Date: Thu Sep 21 2006 - 20:18:29 CEST

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In the last mail of Nicole I see reported another mail, from
E.N. Messomo, which must have been sent to her directly, because
I have not seen it on the discussion list.
I would like to point out a very common misunderstandig on that
mail.

> >I also started using fluence but found out that
> >with FLUKA, fluence isn't the time integral of flux, but is rather
> >related to the normal of the surface/boundary where the detector is
> >defined.

There is nothing strange in the way FLUKA intends fluence: it is just
what is defined by the International Commission on Radiation Units
and Measurements (ICRU), in its Report 60 (1998).
On the other hand, "flux" is commonly (mis-)used in many different ways.
Even ICRU defines it, but in a way which I have never seen used in practice:
it is dN/dt, where N=number of particles and t=time, without any reference
to any surface or boundary crossing.
So, in any case "fluence" is never the "integral of flux", but the
integral of "fluence rate". The definition by ICRU is the following
(capitals are mine):
------------------------ Definition ---------------------------------------
"The fluence, Phi, is the quotient of dN/da, where dN is the number
of particles incident on a sphere of cross-sectional area da, thus
Phi = dN/da.
The use of a sphere of cross sectional area da expresses in the simplest
manner the fact that one considers an area da PERPENDICULAR TO THE DIRECTION
OF EACH PARTICLE. The quantities fluence and energy fluence are applicable in
the COMMON SITUATION IN WHICH RADIATION INTERACTIONS ARE INDEPENDENT OF THE
DIRECTION".
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Relating fluence to the normal of the boundary is a way to implement
the above definition. If a particle crosses a surface at an angle theta,
the area "da" to consider is not a small element da' of that surface, but
an element of a surface perpendicular to the particle: da = da'/cos(theta).
If this was not done, the fluence would not be independent of direction,
as stated in the definition.

> >If you simply want to score neutrons with no further
> >information on their directions, which is what I naively assume since
> >you have just one solid angle bin, you have to use current (FLUKA
> >'current' has no relationship with time). You then simply count the
> >number of neutrons crossing a given surface.

It is correct that "current" amounts to counting particles crossing
a surface, and also that 'current' has no relationship with time.
But fluence, too, has no relationship with time. "Information
on particle direction" is more relevant to current than to fluence, contrary
to what Messomo seems to think. Indeed, if you turn the surface by some
angle, current changes but fluence does not (as stressed in the official
definition). Scoring fluence with several angle bins will just give you
dPhi/dOmega, i.e. the angular distribution of fluence (time integral
of particle radiance according to ICRU).

> >above if you know what you're doing and you're sure you have to use
> >fluence...)

These words don't say it explicitely, but they clearly reveal the writer's
feeling that current is the "natural" quantity to be used in normal work, and
fluence some exotic quantity only suited for a few very specialized
tasks. The truth is just the opposite. Current is meaningful only
in the rare cases where particles are counted without any interest in
their interactions. But if one is estimating dose, activation, radiation
damage, instrument response (all effects depending on particle interaction
with matter), the quantity to be used is fluence and only fluence. See again
the ICRU sentences I have written in capitals above.

I would like to conclude this little tutorial on quantities by reporting a
small note that ICRU adds to the definition of fluence.
---------------- Alternative definition -------------------------------------
"In dosimetric calculations, fluence is frequently expressed in terms of the
lengths of the particle trajectories. It can be shown that the fluence, Phi, is
given by
Phi = dl/dV,
where dl is the sum of the particle trajectory lengths in the volume dV".
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This alternative definition, which I prefer by far because it gives a very
good insight in the physical meaning of fluence (and it is not true that it is
used only in dosimetric calculations!) is implemented in FLUKA as a
track-length estimator (USRTRACK and USRBIN).
The insight is the following: the number of interactions is proportional
to the total distance travelled by the particles, NOT to the number of
particles, NOR to the number of particles crossing a surface. This becomes
more obvious if you measure distances in units of mean free paths.
Coming back to the USRBDX estimator, if you think the boundary as having
an infinitesimal thickness, the total path travelled "inside" that
thickness depends on the cosine of the angle to the normal. Current gives
just a number with little physical meaning.

Alberto

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