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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 17:13:20 +0100
From: "Benmerrouche, Mohamed" <Benmerrouche_at_bnl.gov>
To: Francesco Cerutti <Francesco.Cerutti_at_cern.ch>
Subject: RE: [fluka-discuss]: missing neutron cross sections
Hi Francesco
Thank you again for the suggestion and guidance. Sorry for not following up earlier I was out of the office all last week.
FLUKA run still stops complaining about missing neutron cross section for Radium even though I disabled neutron transport using both PART-THR and DISCARD cards for neutrons. I attached my FLUKA input files for you to analyze. Also I have the following questions:
1, what would be a 'similar' material to use for Low energy neutron cross sections in LOW-MAT card?
2. Is there a chance to add the low energy neutron cross sections for Radium in a pre-release FLUKA code that that I can use for my study? I will be interested in neutron transport in the target and surrounding materials to obtain more accurate activation products.
Thanks,
Mo
-----Original Message-----
From: Francesco Cerutti [mailto:Francesco.Cerutti_at_cern.ch]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 5:16 PM
To: Benmerrouche, Mohamed
Cc: FLUKA discussion
Subject: RE: [fluka-discuss]: missing neutron cross sections
Dear Mo,
if I'm not misinterpreting your set-up, I'm afraid that neglecting neutron transport in the target (due to the Ra cross section lack in the library) is going to leave you with [almost] no neutron at all, since they are expected to be produced there [mainly, and even exclusively if your proton beam does not see any other material along its path]. So my suggestion was intended to let you estimate the target activation only, assumed to be dominated by the primary beam. For your surrounding geometry, not directly impacted by the primary beam, no activation estimation gets achievable without neutron transport in the target. Hence you can even DISCARD NEUTRONs.
Another wild option - far from being recommendable - would be to associate to your target material the low energy neutron cross section set of a 'similar' material, through the LOW-MAT card. This way the neutrons, which are generated by the proton beam interaction in the target, would manage to escape the latter and interact elsewhere, but their former transport in the target would be wrong.
Therefore, all in all, your case is not prone to obtaining accurate results.
Cheers
Francesco
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2017, Benmerrouche, Mohamed wrote:
> Hi Francesco:
>
> Thank you so much for the suggestion. My target is about 1.5 mm which I assume is sufficiently thin enough to make neutron contribution to the activation of the target negligible.
> What FLUKA card should I use to discard neutron transport in the target only and keep neutrons transport elsewhere activated?
>
> Mo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-fluka-discuss_at_mi.infn.it
> [mailto:owner-fluka-discuss_at_mi.infn.it] On Behalf Of Francesco Cerutti
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 7:03 AM
> To: FLUKA discussion
> Subject: Re: [fluka-discuss]: missing neutron cross sections
>
>
> Of course I'm referring to the target activation only, without neutrons you will get no activation estimate elsewhere.
>
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2017, Francesco Cerutti wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Mo,
>>
>> if you discard neutrons, which cannot be properly transported in the
>> absence of the respective cross sections, you will get an estimation
>> of the activation due to the primary beam, neglecting the
>> contribution of neutron reinteractions. If your target is
>> sufficiently thin, such an estimation may still make some sense
>> (apart from uncertainties related to the rather low proton energy).
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Francesco
>>
>>> Hi Mohamed,
>>
>>> I had a same prob with the neutron libraries for Tellurium.
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Shri
>>
>> (Srinidhi Bheesette)
>>
>> On 14 February 2017 at 06:16, Benmerrouche, Mohamed
>> <Benmerrouche_at_bnl.gov>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear FLUKA experts/users,
>>>
>>> I am trying to setup an activation study with a 16MeV proton beam
>>> on
>>> Ra-226 target but when I run my input file FLUKA exits with the
>> following
>>> error message:
>>>
>>> ***** Neutron Xsec: ****
>>> **** Group limits, average energies, velocities and momenta start
>>> at location 10422717, end at location 10424884 (I*4 addr.) *****
>>>
>>> **** Low energy neutron xsec not found for some media 12 13 ****
>>> RADIUM
>>>
>>> Which indicate that low energy neutron cross sections for Ra-226
>>> are not available in the FLUKA code. I checked the FLUKA manual
>>> section
>>> 10.4.1.2 and confirmed that there is NO entry for Radium.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions or thoughts on how to resolve this issue?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mo
>>
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